I think we need a referendum. The people need to vote to say whether the 2016 election results should be tossed out and for the country to revote. Too many doubts about the integrity of the results. The latest comes from the President elect himself. Trump just came out and said on Twitter that he actually won the popular vote! According to the records, he did not. Hillary won by 2.2 million votes. To me, an astonishing advantage especially considering that she lost the presidency.
2.2 million. And she lost. WTF?
But now Trump says she did not win 2.2 million more votes than he did. He said that those 2.2 million were due to voter fraud! This means illegal alieans, dead people etcetera that voted illegally giving her the popular vote advantage in states like California, New York and, I guess, New York where she won big.
On the other hand, Hillary Clinton and Jill Stein have asked for a recount in states Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania where Trump won. These are swing states that historically have gone either Democratic or Republican but some have not voted Republican since the 1980s. And Trump won them by a combined 107,000 votes or something like that. Not by a lot in raw numbers but the margins are historically bigger than any candidate has overcome in a recount. So experts are saying even if you recount, Hillary still can’t win.
Still, Trump is riled up by the request for a recount and he is now on the defensive.
Apparently no sitting president has ever suggested that the election results were fraudulent. This is very serious stuff. It is not funny at all. If Trump is serious about what he said, action needs to be taken immediately to invalidate this election.
I think this calls for some kind of serious investigation. Because if America’s election system is a mess, if we can’t trust the integrity of the American election system, what is going to happen around the rest of the world? Can we ever really go into any other country to “monitor” elections? Do we have any credibility left after the 2016 election?
Both candidates are expressly or impliedly saying that the system was subject to fraud!
We need to invalidate this election!
And do it over!
I think it calls for a referendum. It was by referendum that the British people voted for BREXIT, btw.
Is there any precedence in American law for a political referendum? Could it legally occur whereby we vote by referendum to redo our election???
So I did a quick wikipedia search on referendum under American law. And yes, this happens all the time in certain states! You can “recall” an election! By referendum! Never happened on the federal level, I don’t think but happens all the time on the state level. The following is from Wikipedia:
Recall first appeared in Colonial America in the laws of the General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1631. This version of the recall involved one elected body removing another official. During the American Revolution the Articles of Confederation stipulated that state legislatures might recall delegates from the continental congress. According to New York Delegate John Lansing, the power was never exercised by any state. The Virginia Plan, issued at the outset of the Philadelphia Convention of 1787, proposed to pair recall with rotation in office and to apply these dual principles to the lower house of the national legislature. The recall was rejected by the Constitutional Convention. However, the anti-Federalists used the lack of recall provision as a weapon in the ratification debates.
Several states proposed adopting a recall for US senators in the years immediately following the adoption of the Constitution. However, it did not pass.
Only two governors have ever been successfully recalled. In 1921, Governor Lynn Frazier of North Dakota, was recalled during a dispute about state-owned industries. In 2003, Governor Gray Davis of California was recalled over the state budget. In 2012, Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin became the first US governor to survive a recall election. Additionally, in 1988, a recall was approved against Governor Evan Mecham of Arizona, but he was impeached and convicted before it got on the ballot.
In Alaska, Georgia, Kansas, Minnesota, Montana, Rhode Island, and Washington, specific grounds are required for a recall. Some form of malfeasance or misconduct while in office must be identified by the petitioners. The target may choose to dispute the validity of the grounds in court, and a court then judges whether the allegations in the petition rise to a level where a recall is necessary. In the November 2010 general election, Illinois passed a referendum to amend the state constitution to allow a recall of the state’s governor, in light of former Governor Rod Blagojevich’s corruption scandal. In the other eleven states that permit statewide recall, no grounds are required and recall petitions may be circulated for any reason. However, the target is permitted to submit responses to the stated reasons for recall.
The minimum number of signatures and the time limit to qualify a recall vary among the states. In addition, the handling of recalls once they qualify differs. In some states, a recall triggers a simultaneous special election, where the vote on the recall, as well as the vote on the replacement if the recall succeeds, are on the same ballot. In the 2003 California recall election, over 100 candidates appeared on the replacement portion of the ballot. In other states, a separate special election is held after the target is recalled, or a replacement is appointed by the Governor or some other state authority.
I think there is serious enough grounds here, URGENT GROUNDS, to recall this federal election immediately and redo it. Both Trump and Hillary and Jill Stein have made very disturbing explicit or implicit charges against the election results. Voters in America can start a petition and demand a redo of this election by REFERENDUM.